I really doubt many people "quit" over getting suicide ganked, TBH. Such comments are just a thinly veiled attempt to be "spiteful".

CODE. is a pretty funny joke, I agree.

If you people would get on with the ganking and stop with the stupid ass RP posturing, we'd all be better off.

If you're claiming that ganking isn't PvP, then you're basically admitting that haulers and miners don't count as players.

Granted, I believe they count as players in only the loosest sense myself. They're more like scenery than anything else, and lots of games have destructible terrain.

Are you kidding me. Please say you're kidding me.

Yes it is. We figured out how to turn a profit ganking t2 cats and their scanning frigates. A t2 fitted nado or talos are very easy to gank and always turn a profit. Gank boats are all gank and no tank.

So there are 16 pages to this thread... I'm not reading all of that crap...

Has anyone... Just possibly... Mentioned that it may be safer to go a few jumps through a quiet stretch of low sec than it would be to keep trying to fly freighters through systems like Aufray and Niarja?

How about dem high sec to high sec WH's that can carry freighters? I've scanned a few of those down without even looking for them, they shouldn't be hard to find with a covops frigate and a few minutes. You get to skip the scary bits of space AND cut an hour off of your travel time if you're lucky. It's all win.

I also don't understand the logic behind using a freighter over a transport or blockade runner. It make take several more trips to haul the same volume but you can make those several trips in the same amount of time with a significantly lower chance of losing your ship overall, and you lose significantly less if you do get ganked.... If you're gonna carebear, get it right and minimize the risk as much as possible. If you're going to take risks and fly a giant space whale that attracts everyone's attention, man up and don't cry on the forums when your bluff gets called.

It kind of makes me wish I was the kind of person who could find transporting in Eve entertaining, because I have a feeling I could get filthy rich doing it....

I guess it was only time before the New Order gave up ganking miners. Of course there will always be an occasional gank loss but it was time for them to move on to easier targets.

Anyway wishing them all the best in their new endeavour as the price of isotopes hits 1066. Damn those afk miners are raking it in :)

Please list all of the risks and punishments for ganking.

While your at it, please tell me why you feel my gameplay that has been in game from day one should be wiped out because you don't want to put in any effort to protect yourself.

[quote=Gavin Dax]



Lol @ "real PvP". Unless they've finally disqualified carebears from counting as real players (which is something I'd be just fine with personally), then it is "real PvP". As much as whatever you get yourself up to.

It's all based on false premises and uninformed assumptions? Yeah, sounds about right.

I can tell you right now, that CCP will never make Mining Barges into T3 cruisers. I honestly think they regret ever devising T3s in the first place.

Well, I usually try to do my own work.. but since you asked... incursion runners! Them blingy boats being wasted on red crosses is an abomination, imho. Like a Lambo driving around in a parking lot.

I do think it's imbalanced that you can gank a reinforced bulkhead fit freighter with only 200mil worth of catalysts at a cost of over 1.3 bil to the one guy who's only recourse to prevent such a fate would have been to do something that makes the game more boring for him.

Growth is directly proportional to how ever many people they can extort, con, lie, harass, strongarm or scam into paying them for their imaginary worthless permits.

Arkady, you normally have your head on straight.

But you cannot tell me that environmentalists aren't at fault for a carbon tax. Little enough as I know about Aussie politics, I highly doubt that any other political lobby group put such a thing into place.

Ah, so they do to you guys what they do to us for internet. Gotcha.

Kind of like care bears?


See how I brought that on topic? Someone give me a posting medal.

Idk about that, I'm in telecomm myself. The United States is staggering along under an infrastructure that, if given scrutiny, has barely been touched since the 70s.

The telecomm company breakup in the late 90s (thanks, Clinton) turned one relatively benevolent monopoly into fifty small, localized, extremely hostile monopolies. The end result of course is that we now have three choices, and they're all basically the same.

But the worst thing was that, where AT&T had EARNED their infrastructure, built it from the ground up and had plans to upgrade it, these new companies had earned nothing and were only out to see who could milk their customers the hardest, now with government mandates and support. The new companies paid nothing for their infrastructure, and they've been riding on next to zero operational expenses for almost two decades now. The "cost" of telecommunications services is 100% arbitrary.

So they're silver spoon babies, with all the contempt and hostility to their customers that only entitlement can bring.

Well, I'm disabled, and he's about to try to make me get one.

With the new Industry, I wonder if people will start to realize that they
can sell their stuff anywhere they want,
with higher profits than by moving them to central points with high competition.

I assume that the closer one gets to populated systems,
the higher prosuction costs will be,
so more people will build away from populated systems,
meaning more and more systems will be used to build things ...

... and hopefully more people will be smart enough to sell locally.

Echoing some other folks, I feel that the tools are available to freighter pilots to not only survive, but thrive in this environment. How boring would our space lives be if entities were not arrayed against us to bring interesting play?

That said, if people feel that the burden of two minutes' planning is too great to bear, and the risk unpalatable, Red Frog is standing by to safely transport your goods for you.

http://red-frog.org/jumps.php

This is a pretty big generalization. I'm pretty sure there's a large group of players, myself included, that would just like to see HS PvP be more engaging. That means fun fights, good conflict with response from both sides, etc.

HS is after all where newbies start, yet it's pretty much the most boring place in EVE with the least engaging content. Just look at the massive tears that are generated with basically no in-game response. As the place in New Eden with the most engagement rules, there is absolutely no reason why it needs to be this way (just make those rules engaging and the players will create the content naturally).

Kronos freighter changes. Be careful what you wish for.

You must have really hated star wars. OMG, those x-wings have no control surfaces - how the hell are they flying through atmosphere?!?!?!

Actually no. You forget that we have the magical ability to warp through anything. Suns, planets, whatever. Once you initiate warp you become ethereal.

Warping through suns is pretty fun.

I'll be honest here.

If there was only one thing I could change about the game, it would be the bumping mechanic. It's not just about bumping as an annoying thing to do in high sec.

Ever see a dog fly across the room when a flea jumps on it? No? You can do it virtually with a titan and a frigate.

It's just a dumb mechanic. I know CCP won't do anything about it any time soon, but I can always dream.

Mr Epeen

Because GW only lets people use the 40k license for Company of Heroes clones, halfassed third person shooters, and ****ty mobile games.

Not really. As possibly the laziest kind-of-leader of Miniluv, I process all vexor reimbursement request & personally feel the disappointment the ganker must have felt after sitting on a gate for 3 hours scanning stuff. The days of people rampantly stuffing everything they own in to untanked T1 haulers are unfortunately gone.